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E3 SEASON. GET HYPE.

Chat from earlier today about our thoughts as we enter E3.






Hidsnake

Chat made, poptarts eaten, water ready. E3 HYPE MODE ENGAGE.

 

T1ger

When does E3 engage???

 

Hidsnake

GOOD SOLID FIRST QUESTION FOR CHAT. Technically Squenix had a small presser yesterday where not too much came out. The real first presser is Sunday at 4PM EDT with EA. Bethesda follows up at 10PM. Monday you have Micro at 1230PM, PC at 3PM, Ubi at 4PM, and Sony at 9PM.  Nintendo not even having a digital presser this year.

Nintendo is have their "Treehouse Live" event all day Tuesday.



[shamelessly stolen from Kotaku]

 

T1ger

Fantastic!

 

Hidsnake

Microsoft will be shown live on Spike TV this year. Rest look like you will need an online stream.

Ah, with Tok here I suppose we can begin in earnest.

So, lets start system by system before we get into individual game breakdowns. I suggest starting with Microsoft and the rumors Scorpio project.

 

Tok

What is scorpio rumored to be?

 

Hidsnake

As a quick background. Scorpio is the rumored Microsoft hardware revision that is meant to compete with PS4.5 or Neo or whatever the hell people are calling that to be.

 

Tok

besides a hit cbs procedural

Okay so xbone.5they had two versions, right?

 

Hidsnake

Along with it Microsoft plans on releasing a smaller/cheaper XBone beside a sup'd up Scorpio.

The rumored spec's for Scorpio put it at 4x the raw power of the original XBone.

 

Tok

do you have the specs or is it marketing speak?

 

Hidsnake

Market speak.

 

Tok

gotcha. I'll wait for the benchmarks.

😊

so rather than an upgrade component the rumors are it'll be a whole new system? Isn't that kind of early?

 

Hidsnake

From Polygon: "The Xbox One is believed to operate a peak target of 1.32 teraflops, compared to the 1.84 teraflop performance numbers attributed to the PS4. Meanwhile, per documents secured by Giant Bomb's Austin Walker — and corroborated by our sources — the PlayStation 4 "Neo," at approximately 2.25 times more powerful than the PS4, is likely to have a peak performance number of 4.14 teraflops. The current performance target for Microsoft's Scorpio is approximately 6 teraflops." [Polygon]

So that's where the 4x power rumors come from.

But I'm with you. That isn't so much a hardware revision to me as much as an entire new system.

XBone isn't even 3 years old.

I've seen speculation all over the place on this. I've heard the driver of this insane upgrade is Oculus. I've heard that they plan on making XBone a PC. Literally operates through Windows 10. Or visa-versa.

 

Tok

Is there a reason to measure in teraflops for vr gaming? Because normally I don't see that measurement when talking about performance in regards to gaming. Have modern games become more floating point heavy?

 

Hidsnake

These are just the numbers being floated out. No hard specs have been unveiled (yet).

 

Tok

Well, I'm excited about xbone getting closer to win 10

 

Hidsnake

But I'd like to use this point to toss out my specific prediction. No way is the system going to be this powerful. Seems like overkill to me.

 

Tok

1080 is specked at 9 teraflops

thats the highest end I can think ofso 6 is really powerful for a console.

 

Hidsnake

Why release a new system with such a steep upgrade in power yet the only functionality it adds is VR and 4K streaming? Nah bro. Either there targets are way off or this is literally suppose to be a PC.

Which given current trends at Microsoft, I almost have to accept as a possibility. I just think it's not very likily.

 

Tok

Crazy Not Gonna Happen Prediction: KB/Mouse Support on xbscorpione hinted at.

 

Hidsnake dies inside

 

Hidsnake

Do you think Microsoft brings Oculus front and center this year? I could see them keeping HoloLens off the stage to promote Oculus big-time. I mean the entire reason of this revision seem to be a) get out in front of PS4.5 and claim to have more power and b) support VR gaming.

 

Tok

Honestly if they go the vr rout they should try to get both the rift and vive. Rift seems more likely to partner with Microsoft here.

 

Hidsnake

Didn't Microsoft partner with Oculus? That's why I bring them up.

 

Tok

Rift being owned by Facebook and their recent attempts to lock down the oculous store makes me think that. I don't remember if oculous partnered with Microsoft, only that Facebook acquired them.

But it makes sense that Microsoft would partner with them.

 

Hidsnake

Aha. Here. http://www.theverge.com/2015/6/11/8763109/oculus-rift-xbox-one-games-e3

Well, we'll see I suppose.

 

Tok

"Stream xbone games to rift"



Oh Microsoft... No. Just. No.

 

Hidsnake

I'm pretty sure the plan here would actually be to have Scorpio natively support Rift.

 

Tok

That would be preferable

 

Hidsnake

That article is a year old. When people had idealistic dreams for the internet.

Previous 3-4 years have been a big push for steaming games, but that kinda has died as the infrastructure to do it just isn't there.

 

Tok



What is cloud gaming?

Bad. The answer is bad.

 

Hidsnake

Well, have we beat Microsoft and Scorpio into the ground enough? Move onto Sony?

 

Tok

Sure let's get to the 4.5

 

Hidsnake

So we know a bit more about PS4.5 or Sony Neo whatever.

 

Tok

That seems possibly sane.

 

Hidsnake

To start with, it's entire purpose is to support Project Morpheus aka PlayStation VR and allow for 4K video playback. Not gameplay, video.

That is the drving force here.

Also, they have already come out and said that Sony is requiring companies to support legacy PS4 systems for all PS4 games, but will allow companies to take advantage of PS4.5's superior system power.

 

Tok

Honestly I don't care about 4k gaming right now.

Still too early

 

Hidsnake

Hardware required is too expensive, and devs probably don't want to do it.

I want you to understand. Japan has been using HD sprites for about 4-5 years. Gotta slow this shit down.

They ain't ready for 3D.

 

Tok

Lol

 

Hidsnake

But back to the point. I have a theory here that I think I'll use as my specific prediction and will cause people to lose their minds.

Sony is going to require devs developing on PS4.5 to design all games to played at 60fps.

 

Tok

Honestly I think that is where the industry as a whole is going.

 

Hidsnake

well, the industry has been going that way for awhile now. typicaly they aim for 60fps, can't do, drop the resolution, still can't do it, then drop to 30fps.

That is literally the story of Halo.

And Destiny.

But anyway, it seems pretty easy to expect them to show off Playstation VR. There really isn't a reason to show off PS4.5 without it.

 

Tok

If it is good I think that will be my entry into vr

 

Hidsnake

I also expect many mic drop shots at Mircosoft.

 

Tok

6-800 is a bit much

 

Hidsnake

I suspect the Sony is going to try to make themselve the entry point.

 

Tok

$400 is probably the most i'll be willing to pay.

 

Hidsnake

I suspect they will try to launch a system/headset bundle.

Which I would think be around $500-$600 if they wanted an entry point.

$400 seems very low. That might be the price of a new PS4.5

 

Tok

if its higher than that I'll get a rift or a vive probably

$400 I mean

 

Hidsnake

Pricepoint is an interesting question in these upcoming VR wars.

Current VR tech is stupidly high priced. Expecting a full up system that is fully VR ready might be hard under $1,000.

Not exactly a solid entry price point.

 

Tok

What do you think the ps4+4.5+vr headset+move+camera will be?

I don't see it being drastically different, especially if the rx480 lives up to the hype

 

Hidsnake

PC's won't be the drivers of VR. The PC entry point is absurd.

At the console lever, I would hope a system + VR device would an optimal entry point.

 

Tok

That isn't what I asked, but alright.

 

Hidsnake

of course, much of this also assumes open architecture for VR hardware. If PS VR doesn't work on PC, people will be pissed.

What I'm getting at is that the entry point for PC VR is going to be far higher than console. But where that point is out will be decided by the power and cost decided by Microsoft and Sony.

 

Tok

Talking price if the base ps4 console is $350, 4.5 upgrade is $3-400, and headset is $2-300, move is $50, and camera is $50 thats around $1,000?

compared to what I expect will be $1200-$2000 for PC if you don't have a PC currently.

 

Hidsnake

4.5 isn't and additional add-on, it's a new hardware revision. you can't count PS4 and PS4.5. I don't see a headset at under $350.

 

Tok

I thought it was an addon device?

 

Hidsnake

PS4.5? Hell no. It's a whole new hardware revision.

Same as Scorpio.

I figure Sony will try to launch PS VR with it as a bundle.

But a price point for that? I could see that at the $700 range.

And that could be with Sony taking a hit on both the console and the headset.

 

Tok

Meaning it would be more affordable for me to get the oculus.

If it is at 700

 

Hidsnake

Ya, but that would mean you have to buy a Scorpio.

Or have a PC.

 

Tok

I have a PC

 

Hidsnake

A high end PC for now.

Something not everyone has. The point is, no matter what combination you chose PC/XBone/PS4 with Rift/PSVR, I don't see it being cheap.

Plus dont forget, there is a chance that all these VR systems could be open architecture. Perhap a PS VR will work on XBone and PC. Anyway, I'm feeling we beating this VR thing to death. Do we want to move onto Nintendo? Or do you have a Playstation related prediction to drop?

 

Tok

My super awesome probably not gonna happen fun time super sexy prediction is: PSVR Can be used on PC, but not to play Rift games!

Nintendo?

 

Hidsnake

Did we already finish talking about Nintendo?

 

Tok

One sec!

Zelda.Ok

we done?

 

Hidsnake

(We have officially put as much effort into talk about Nintendo at E3 as Nintendo put into E3.)

The fact that Nintendo can't even host a Nintendo direct is pretty insulting to me.

As a fan.

 

Tok

Ugh. Nintendo Fanboys, Amiright?

 

hidsnake rolls eyes

 

Tok

OH

One Sec

there ya go buddy.



 

Hidsnake

I mean we could talk about the new system. That they aren't showing.

 

Tok

No. I just wanted to Meme it up with some dank fillion eye rolls.

We can move on.

 

Hidsnake

Do we talk about Miitomo?

Or their cell phone plans?

 

Tok

The app?

I open Miitomo sometimes.

 

Hidsnake

It kills my cell phone battery.

 

Tok

It disapoints me that we are not friends yet.

 

Hidsnake

by the time i open it up i've already used 10% of my battery.

 

Tok

It does take a ton of time to open

 

Hidsnake

Ok, lets try to be a bit more serious now. Nintendo Treehouse will be at E3.

 

Tok

What, is that?

 

Hidsnake

They said that new Zelda will be playable and a few incoming releases will show up. Tokyo Mirage Sessions will probably be there.

 

Tok

No what is Nintendo Treehouse? A playful name for the booth they bought?

 

Hidsnake

Nintendo Treehouse is the team nthat does all the in house localizations.

 

Tok

Oh, alright.

Nothing about that name screams "we localize games!" Do we care about the new Zelda?

 

Hidsnake

Kinda. Possible fem-Link

People are pretty hype for it.

 

Tok

Cool. Honestly if Nintendo went out of there way to make the pronouns interchangeable (ask at the beginning are you a boy or girl) they could use the same link for both genders and be fine. He is pretty androgynous.

I think canon fem-link would be cool too.

 

Hidsnake

enough people wanted it that they put her into the Zelda Musou game.

Along with the terrible name Linkle.

 

Tok

Mousou?

 

Hidsnake

Hyrule Warriors.

 

Tok

Honestly. Link <- There is your male or female name.

 

hidsnake shrugs

 

Tok

not Tinkle er I mean I have to Linkle or wait.

Fuck

 

Hidsnake

whatever.

We don't expect Nintendo to bring anything worth see to E3 besides Zelda. They said as much before E3. They have no Nintendo Directs planned. It's not a good look.

 

Tok

Moving on?

 

Hidsnake

Hold on I have to give my specific prediction.

The media will openly question wtf Nintendo is doing anymore. And much blood will be spilled over it and Nintendo's future death will be brought ot the table.

And then the WiiU version of Lego Batman will sell 2M copies and all will be ignored.

I can move on.

 

Tok

K

 

Hidsnake

What next, do we want start picking out the big companies? EA?

 

Tok

Sure. So what does EA have?

Lets get a list and go through one by one?

 

Hidsnake

Games. All the damn games. I think EA has the most to gain at this E3.

 

Tok

Confirmed to be there first then.

 

Hidsnake

Gimme a sec to get my list.

So the "Official" titles we know/expect to show are
- Mirror's Edge Catalyst
- UFC 2
- Battlefield 1
- Mass Effect: Andromeda

That's not even counting Titanfall 2.There was a time when Battlefield 1, Mass Effect, and Titanfall 2 had the same release window.

 

Tok

Mirror's Edge Catalyst released this week so I don't expect to see a ton of that.

 

Hidsnake

You will. They will try to drum up a few more sales. May not be front page, but it will be there.

 

Tok

it appears to be being brigaded on metacritic at the moment

lots of 0s, lots of 10s

 

Hidsnake

I suspect EA is going to go all in on Battlefield 1, Mass Effect, and Titanfall.

That ought to be one hell of a pressure. Not many companies can post an E3 line up with that much depth.

Presser*

I expect live gameplay of all three games.

Which is pretty big for Mass Effect, which has just been concept art so far.

 

Tok

I gotta say I am pumped for Andromeda

 

Hidsnake

I'm even slight pumped for Battlefield 1. A game I have no interest to buy.

 

Tok

I hope they bring back coop multiplayer from 3.

(ME not BF)

 

Hidsnake

I expect planned betas for all 3. THAT'S RIGHT. ALL 3.

 

Tok

Battlefield 1 has me intrigued by it's world and the weapons that will most likely be in it. I probably won't be getting it though.

Not that I wouldn't, I just wouldn't have anyone to play with.

 

Hidsnake

I know we both are all in on Titanfall 2.

 

Tok

Yup

 

Hidsnake

Specific prediction: Titanfall 2 announces it's beta is live. Immediately. Like now. During the announcement.

 

Tok

I need some parkour in my life again

 

Hidsnake

Ok, who's next. I suppose we can move on from EA. Actizard?

 

Tok

Destiny "reveals"

more like leak confirmations amiright?

 

Hidsnake

Well, they start in 5 mins so......

They also have the new CoD stuff.

 

Tok

Ah infinity warfare

 

Hidsnake

And the Modern Warfare remaster.

 

Tok

Bundled with infinity wars

 

Hidsnake

Is it a bundle?

I honestly don't know.

 

Tok

I thought that was the big hullaballoo about it

 

hidsnake shrug

 

Hidsnake

don't really care that much

 

Tok

^me on the subreddit awhile ago



Hidsnake

I suspect we could also hear about the first Overwatch expansion.

 

Tok

So soon?!

That game has only been out 2 weeks!

jk. "beta"

 

Hidsnake

Well, they are talking about turning on ranked play soonish

my guess is the will announce an expansion meant to support more competitive gaming.is just a possibility. But if they plan to drop an expansion in september/october timeline, E3 might be a decent time to announce it. that said, would be a little out of the norm for the Blizzard side of Actizard.

 

Tok

Well it is blizzard Hidsnake. They havent been doing the whole "e-sports" thing well recently.

Not sure if "competitive mode" is gonna be a thing no matter how much pros would like it to be.

 

Hidsnake

i mostly refer to ranked play.

So next on the big 3 devs list? Ubi?

 

Tok

Oh god Ubi.

being bought by some french media group?

 

Hidsnake

Come on, come on. Let take off the shade colored sunglasses.

 

Tok

K.

Watch Dogs 2

 

Hidsnake

YOU SON OF A BITCH.

 

Tok

NO ITS NOT POSSIBLE. GLASSES STAYING ON.

What Ubi game do you want to talk about?

 

Hidsnake

They have a few actually.

Outside an obvious Assassin's Creed. Maybe even Assassin's Creed movie trailer.

 

Tok

AC has actually not been dreadful recently.

Syndicate was ok. It was a return to boring stabby no sail boat gameplay, but it did story well which is what it has done well in previous installments.

 

Hidsnake

Well, we go back to last E3, and 2 games have been a little on the down low of late that I would expect to see.

 

Tok

Are we going to go see the AC movie? Or Warcraft for that matter?

 

Hidsnake

No and no. Stay on topic.

 

hidsnake slaps tok

 

Hidsnake

One game would be Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Wildlands.

 

Tok

I hope we can have a Tom Clancy game this time and not the division.

 

Hidsnake

[Sidebar throw in. Destiny Rise of Iron Expansion drops at $30.]

I'm not too interested in the new Ghost Recon game. I want to see some competivitve play. Because all I've seen is Far Cry Recon.

It could be a good game, I just want to see more.

I guess your not too interested in it?

 

Tok

I'm down for a good ghost recon

 

Hidsnake

The other Ubi game that has completely vanished is For Honor.

 

Tok

I thought that already came out?

 

Hidsnake

I haven't heard a peep in almost a year.

That seemed like a title that they would be interested in pushing forward. New IP that the a genre blending.

 

Tok

Yeah all I see is preorder links and a sketchy release date

 

Hidsnake

It's a game I hope to see more of.

Other games to expect:
- New Far Cry
- South Park RPG
- Something Trackmania
- The Division expansion

 

Tok

Somehow all of them will involve taking over towers to open up more stuff to do.

 

Hidsnake

So next, I got 2 more companies.

Any predictions from the big 3 devs?

 

Tok

Not really, I hope you are right about EA's Betas.

 

Hidsnake

EA has a history of dropping ambush betas.

I would love to hear a Titanfall ambush beta. Somewhat going around the rumor mill.

Well, next is Squenix.

 

Tok

hd remakes?

 

Hidsnake

They already had their tiny little presser. They showed off FFXII International Edition HD remake and a bunch of mobile Eidos games.

 

Tok

No ff15 news? what about mobile ff11?

I am legitimately excited for ff11 on the crapper.

 

Hidsnake

Well, Square is kinda well known for having smaller press only events.

On the floor I would expect to hear about I Am Setsuna and Star Ocean 5.

Maybe FFXV

 

Tok

who was doing the robot dinosaur hunter game, that was ubi and we forgot to talk about that wsn't it?

 

Hidsnake

what was that called? horizon dawn?

damn i was close, Horizon Zero Dawn

We'll get to them later in no major devs. That is Guerrilla Games

gotta finish the last 2 big devs.

 

Tok

Oh ok

 

Hidsnake

Anyway. Squares current portfolio is gigantic. I expect some actual gameplay for FFXV and a bunch of trailers for Kingdom Hearts 3, FF XII HD Remake, and World of Final Fantasy.

 

Tok

I really only care about 15 and mobile 11

 

Hidsnake

Maybe we hear about Dragon Quest Heroes 2, Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker 3, Dragon Quest Builders, more Kingdom Hearts HD 2.6 (ACTUAL FUCKING TITLE), and Deus Ex. I think most of the Eidos team is focused on Deus Ex right now, so don't expect much else.

 

Tok

Ah yeah Deus Ex, I care about that too.

 

Hidsnake

The one thing I will openly admit that I totally expect not to hear about is the FFVII HD Remake.

 

Tok

They recently released news about a kind of speedruning mode for deus ex

basically its their april fools joke, but it actually will be in the game

 

Hidsnake

Way out there we could hear about the new Nier game or Dragon Quest XI.

Or FF Type-0 Online. Not sure that's coming stateside.

 

Tok

You don't care about Deus Ex, do you? Stealth games arent really your thing despite your name.

 

Hidsnake

I never got into Deus Ex. ALways slipped under my radar. I'd probably really like it if I ever played it.

 

Tok

I got into them with Human Revolution.

Can't bring myself to play the first one though.

 

Hidsnake

HA. Eidos was really questionable with Squenix acquired them, but they have turned that image around.

 

Tok

I have some pretty rare steam achievements because of that game

 

Hidsnake

So move on to the last big dev showing up? Bethesda?

 

Tok

anyway, anything else squeenix related?

Moar stealth games

Dishonored 2My body is ready.

 

Hidsnake

So like last year, bethesda decide to pick up a presser slot again.

But i suspect the biggest thing there are going to drop is the Skyrim Remasters.

That's the one going aroudn the rumor-bend

 

Tok

Why even bother? They have a monopoly now that Infinity shutdown

 

Hidsnake

I'm just pointing out what I've been hearing. Dishonored 2 and a Skyrim remake.

 

Tok

By the way I totally glanced over and thought we were talking about Spyro which we should have talked about in actizard I think.

 

Hidsnake

ya, you had me lost there for a sec

 

Tok

Now that I'm done with my stroke. Yeah. SkyRIM not LANDERS. This is Bethesda. Ok.

So do we have the Mods on consoles discussion?

 

Hidsnake

Didn't they open up the series to mods on console?

Had to go through PC to do it.

 

Tok

Skyrim, yeah you can get mods on console now. Modding community had some issues with the influx of idiots.

 

Hidsnake

Plot issues?

 

Tok

No, more core concept of modding issues. Like, "why is this not on consoles pcmr asshole?" issues.

They have to be approved by Bethesda I think so there shouldn't be any "plot" mods on the consoles.

 

Hidsnake

I would think that's an issue from Microsoft and Sony about not letting dev tools get to market.

 

Tok

Well its part that and not all modders want to port their mods to console.

Not to mention some mods just won't function on console

 

Hidsnake

I've always been of the opinion that the modder community is pretty much PC only. There isn't a vibrant want for it on consoles.

 

Tok

such as if they are too graphically demanding or use libraries not available on console.

Yeah

I mean windows 10 on xbox may make it easier depending

 

Hidsnake

Ya. Well lets stay on E3. Any last thoughts on Bethesda?

 

Tok

DISHONORED 2.

HYPE TRAINCHOO CHOO MOFO

 

Hidsnake

I didn't even know this was a train.

 

Tok

I'M THE STEWARD, CONDUCTOR, AND ONLY PASSENGER AND I DON'T CARE!

WOOHOO

 

Hidsnake

ok

I guess this is the point we just bring up all the games we are interested in and expect to show up.

So I heard the the new Fate game Fate/EXTELLA is coming stateside.

How did this happen?

 

Tok

...

wut?

who i localizing that?

 

Hidsnake

I DON'T KNOW.

XSeed

 

Tok

crazy sons of bitches.

 

Hidsnake

XSeed does bring some crazy games over.

You have any Person 5 hype gifs on standby? I should show up.

 

Tok

No I don't sadly

 

Hidsnake

BOOOOO

 

Tok

hows this?



 

Hidsnake

Perfect.

 

Tok



so p5 then

 

Hidsnake

It will be there as a trailer. Don't expect much else.

 

Tok

they have a trailer out already

moar trailers?

 

Hidsnake

Maybe. I expect them to save that for TGS on their own event.

Only other game I see I'm interested in Was Horizon: Zero Dawn. That should show up again during the Sony presser.

 

Tok

No man sky?

I'm not really interested to play itill probably watch someone play it

 

Hidsnake

I was going to open he floor to you to bring up other games. I'm not too interested in it but the hype is real.

That guy from Kotaku got reemed for reporting it's delay.

 

Tok

Guy has been correct like 5 times

 

Hidsnake

Listen. It's clear he has a source at Bungie. No one believe him. It's impressive really.

Did I miss anything else?I feel like we covered a majority of our bases.

 

Tok

not that I can think of.

I wonder if anyone else wanted to say anything about anything?

 

Tok coughs

 

Tok

W0lf

 

hidsnake coughs

 

Tok coughs

 

Tok

T1ger

 

hidsnake coughs

 

Tok coughs twice

 

Hidsnake

Bueller?

 

T1ger

I'm trying to think of something to say. But you guys have most the bases covered.

 

Hidsnake

I think you mean did all the leg work.

 

T1ger

That. Carry the team

 

Hidsnake

I hate you.

 

T1ger



 

Hidsnake

I'll post all of this up on the blog when I get home.

Solid 3.5 hour boon-doogle.

 

Tok

I'm great at doing the legwork.



 

Hidsnake

I hate all of you.

Tok

 

Hidsnake

I'm going to close this chat now.

 

Tok

Oh I would.



 

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